My Coming Out pt5 – Prophecy
During his life, Joseph Smith Jr., made about 40 prophecies; the exact number is up for debate as not everyone will claim every prophecy he made was actually a prophecy. I believe when a self-proclaimed “prophet” says something is going to happen we can call that statement his prophecy. Some of the prophecies Smith made during his life can not be debated as to whether they occurred. Still others are debated as being metaphorical statements, not true prophecies. While others are clear statements about events Smith says will happen in the future that can not be debated. Many of the “prophecies,” that came to Joseph, came in his hour of need. The church needs someone to go on a mission; a prophecy about Elder Patten. The church is in debt; a prophecy about the riches of Salem, MA. The United States government is interfering with the practice of your religion; a prophecy about the downfall of Congress and the government. The church needs a temple to establish a “headquarters;” a prophecy about a temple in Missouri. What would a prophet be without a prophecy about the second coming? I understand that some prophecies that have been made in the past by other “seers” can be interpreted in very different ways depending on who interprets it. The only problem with this is that Joseph Smith was quite specific in his prophecies.
“It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.”
-L. Sprague de Camp
• D&C 114:1 -April 1838
o “Verily, thus saith the Lord: it is wisdom in my servant, David W. Patten…that he may perform a mission unto me next spring…”
o David Patten was to serve a mission for the church in the spring of 1839. The thing is, the prophet, nor the “Almighty” see that Elder Patten was to pass away in October of 1838 before his mission was to begin.
• D&C 111:1-4-Aug. 1836
o “I have much treasure in this city for you… I will give this city into your hands… and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours.”
o With the church in debt, in July 1836, Joseph (along with Hyrum, Sidney Rigdon, and Oliver Cowdery) left Kirtland for Salem, MA. Joseph had only just been acquitted on charges of assault and battery in June. Joseph received revelation in Aug claiming his party would receive the wealth “pertaining to gold and silver” of Salem.
• D&C 84:2-5-July 1831
o “for verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord.”
o The saints were then living in western Missouri, a plot of land for a temple has been bought in Independence, MO, no one alive in the generation when this prophecy was made is alive today and no temple has been built yet. Orson Pratt backed up this prophecy saying “all the people that were living thirty-nine years ago have not passed away; but before they do pass away this will be fulfilled (J. of D. Vol. 14, p. 275). Smith and Pratt were both wrong.
• History of the Church Vol. 5 p.394-May 1843
o “unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted”
o The saints had been wronged by the U.S. government and Smith threatened the downfall of it if no apology and restitution was made. 170 years later the government stands as it has ever since and no redress has been made.
• D&C 130:14-15-Dec. 1832
o “Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore alet this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.”
o Joseph was born on December 23, 1805, if he had lived until he was 85 it would have been 1890, even if you interpreted this as 85 years from the prophecy would be 1917. It really doesn’t matter where you begin the 85 year clock, the second coming has not happened to date, 170 years later.
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